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It was stated before by [[Brian Herbert]]<ref>''"BH: Well, I'll just add one more element to that, that they both loved to work in the garden. And I guess you could say that their stories were ... were the plants and flowers that they were nurturing, but ... I think that my Dad, when he created characters, he always took elements of various people and put them into it. But, that ... that could have been part of it, but I would say that would be a subconscious element to it. That's an interesting observation, I like that."'' --- '''Brian Herbert''' in a interview to Scott Brick.</ref> that the characters ''Daniel'' and ''Marty'' created by [[Frank Herbert]] could be a metaphor for how he and Beverly Herbert had been watching the events in the Dune Universe unfold.
 
It was stated before by [[Brian Herbert]]<ref>''"BH: Well, I'll just add one more element to that, that they both loved to work in the garden. And I guess you could say that their stories were ... were the plants and flowers that they were nurturing, but ... I think that my Dad, when he created characters, he always took elements of various people and put them into it. But, that ... that could have been part of it, but I would say that would be a subconscious element to it. That's an interesting observation, I like that."'' --- '''Brian Herbert''' in a interview to Scott Brick.</ref> that the characters ''Daniel'' and ''Marty'' created by [[Frank Herbert]] could be a metaphor for how he and Beverly Herbert had been watching the events in the Dune Universe unfold.
   
By the statements made by Marty and Daniel at the end of ''[[Chapterhouse: Dune]]'' it is clearly obvious that they were Independent [[Face Dancers]].<ref>''Daniel chuckled. "That would've been funny. They have such a hard time accepting that Face Dancers can be independent of them." "I don't see why. It's a natural consequence. They gave us the power to absorb the memories and experiences of other people. Gather enough of those and . . ." "It's personas we take, Marty."'' --- '''''[[Chapterhouse: Dune]]''''','''page 369'''</ref> However Erasmus says that he and Omnius sometimes forgot who they are. They could have mistaken themselves for Face Dancers.
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By the statements made by Marty and Daniel at the end of ''[[Chapterhouse: Dune]]'' it is clearly obvious that they were Independent [[Face Dancers]].<ref>''Daniel chuckled. "That would've been funny. They have such a hard time accepting that Face Dancers can be independent of them." "I don't see why. It's a natural consequence. They gave us the power to absorb the memories and experiences of other people. Gather enough of those and . . ." "It's personas we take, Marty."'' --- '''''[[Chapterhouse: Dune]]''''','''page 369'''</ref> However, this is contradicted by the later ''Dune'' sequels (to novel ''Chapterhouse: Dune''), where Marty and Daniel are revealed to be representations of ancient [[artificial intelligence|artificial intelligences]] [[Erasmus]] and [[Omnius]].
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Despite this, it is highly-questionable as to whether or not Frank Herbert himself actually ever intended this, given the evidence presented in his final novel, which much more strongly supports their existence as advanced Tleilaxu creations.
   
 
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Marty is an entity that appears in Duncan Idaho's visions. The character appears as a homely elderly woman alongside her companion Daniel, in an American Gothic setting.

Analysis

It was stated before by Brian Herbert[1] that the characters Daniel and Marty created by Frank Herbert could be a metaphor for how he and Beverly Herbert had been watching the events in the Dune Universe unfold.

By the statements made by Marty and Daniel at the end of Chapterhouse: Dune it is clearly obvious that they were Independent Face Dancers.[2] However, this is contradicted by the later Dune sequels (to novel Chapterhouse: Dune), where Marty and Daniel are revealed to be representations of ancient artificial intelligences Erasmus and Omnius.

Despite this, it is highly-questionable as to whether or not Frank Herbert himself actually ever intended this, given the evidence presented in his final novel, which much more strongly supports their existence as advanced Tleilaxu creations.

References

  1. "BH: Well, I'll just add one more element to that, that they both loved to work in the garden. And I guess you could say that their stories were ... were the plants and flowers that they were nurturing, but ... I think that my Dad, when he created characters, he always took elements of various people and put them into it. But, that ... that could have been part of it, but I would say that would be a subconscious element to it. That's an interesting observation, I like that." --- Brian Herbert in a interview to Scott Brick.
  2. Daniel chuckled. "That would've been funny. They have such a hard time accepting that Face Dancers can be independent of them." "I don't see why. It's a natural consequence. They gave us the power to absorb the memories and experiences of other people. Gather enough of those and . . ." "It's personas we take, Marty." --- Chapterhouse: Dune,page 369

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