Talk:Fremen

I have an issue with Selim Wormrider being included as a Fremen. Technically, the Fremen didn't exist until Ishmael declared them the "Free Men of Arrakis". Selim may have laid some of the groundwork, but Ishmael really defined who they were. Thoughts? - Dolza42 19:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm... that's a good point. I'll reclassify him as a 'Fremen Precursor', or something like that. Feel free to modify my changes. Thanks for pointing that out. --Careax 21:59, 17 October 2006 (PDT)

Language
''Ishmael, declared themselves the free men. Later, this was shortended to Fremen.''

Now, this etymology makes sense only if they spoke English. However, Frank Herbert states that Fremen language was a descendant of Arabic. Chechen 17:39, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

It can be assumed that this shortening occurred in Galach, which is primarily based off of English, and the Fremen adopted the name for themselves. Also, the Language of the Fremen included bits and pieces of Galach, as well as a few other Languages. Julio144 05:34, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Zenshia
I know Brian doesn't get a lot of respect, but Jesus, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. And that's including the killer robots and...

Like, "Zensunni" was clever cos you think "ah, Japanese Muslims, Buddhist Muslims, clever!", two groups that you wouldn't expect to go together. Like both groups somehow evolved into one. But then deciding that if there's Zensunni then there must be Zenshia is...! It's odd enough, alien enough, for Islam and Buddhism to join together in the far future, but then for both Muslim schisms to independently join the Buddhist sect of Zen, but still stay separate from each other? What are the chances!? It defies belief!

Frank apparently had a great interest in and respect for Arab culture. Brian is a hack and a graverobber, this we know. But crikey, it's like he doesn't even KNOW how stupid he looks! I'm not an anthropologist but this is screamingly stupid even to me.